Discussion:
[HanoiLUG] Language usage in HanoiLUG mailing list
Vu Do Quynh
2010-10-05 02:01:48 UTC
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Just an idea.
Anyway, I think Vietnamese (lang) should be encouraged in the list because
of the very simple reason: we are Vietnamese and this list, first of all,
should be for Vietnamese.
Not correct : This list (until now) has been set-up for people -
normally living in Hanoi for some time - interested in GNU/Linux (and
Free Open Source softwares).

Because we expect a majority of Hanoilug "members" to be Vietnamese, we
expect the bulk of posts will be in Vietnamese, but everyone is welcomed
to discuss and express ideas, be it in one of the three languages that
were accepted when the list was started back in 2005.

The issue of language was discussed in the past and there were ideas of
splitting the list into a sub-list using English and a sub-list using
Vietnamese only, thus to accommodate users only fluent (or wishing) in
one main language of the list. In that case, people could subscribe to
either of to both sub-lists according to their wishes. That might be a
solution if you think that the way the list is being used until now is
not satisfactory enough.

Keeping all users together has one advantage, however, of facilitating
exchange within different nationalities within the list.

However if several other users think it is better to have different
sub-lists according to the language to be used, then please expose your
views.

Regards
--
M. VU DO Quynh
AUF (T? ch?c h?p t?c ?H Ph?p ng?)
Campus num?rique francophone (CNF) de Hanoi
Nh? D, ng? 42 T? Quang B?u
T?l.: (84-4) 38.68.48.85 ; Fax: (84-4) 38.69.45.09
http://www.vn.refer.org/vietnam/
Le Quoc Thai
2010-10-05 02:28:32 UTC
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2010/10/5 Vu Do Quynh <vu.do.quynh at auf.org>
Just an idea.
Anyway, I think Vietnamese (lang) should be encouraged in the list because
of the very simple reason: we are Vietnamese and this list, first of all,
should be for Vietnamese.
...
The issue of language was discussed in the past and there were ideas of
splitting the list into a sub-list using English and a sub-list using
Vietnamese only, thus to accommodate users only fluent (or wishing) in one
main language of the list. In that case, people could subscribe to either of
to both sub-lists according to their wishes. That might be a solution if you
think that the way the list is being used until now is not satisfactory
enough.
I would like to confirm the aforementioned discussion. And absolutely agree
with Quynh on the diversity of our multilingual community.

I just don't understand why shall we take it for granted that "we are
Vietnamese?". Who are "we" here? Don't we remember who build this community.
Only Vietnamese?

My opinion: For this mailing list, let's make it English by default.
Therefore, let's create another mailing list dedicated to those who can
understand Vietnamese.
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Le Quoc Thai
2010-10-05 03:06:03 UTC
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2010/10/5 Truong Anh. Tuan <tuanta at iwayvietnam.com>
N?u nh?t quy?t t?ch list th? n?n l?m 1 list m?i chuy?n cho ti?ng Anh,
1 list cho ti?ng Ph?p, 1 cho Nga, 1 cho L?o... :D
Em cho l? anh ??a. Nh?ng n?u l? nghi?m t?c th? em kh?ng th?y th?a ??ng. Em
c? c?m gi?c nh? khu?y th?m cho n??c n? ??c, ch? kh?ng ph?i kh?i trong.
C?n list n?y ?? nguy?n v? d?nh cho ti?ng Vi?t.
T?i sao ?? Em ch?a th?y c? lu?n ?i?m n?o th?a ??ng.
Nh?n m?nh l? "n?u ph?i t?ch" nh?! C?n quan ?i?m c?a t?i v?n l?m "KH?NG
t?ch"
V?ng, em r?t l?u ? ch? "quan ?i?m c?a t?i". N? ch? ??i di?n cho quan ?i?m
c?a m?t ng??i.

V? ??n gi? (c? th? do trao ??i b?ng ti?ng Vi?t, n?n) ch?a c? ph?n h?i n?o t?
c?c th?nh vi?n ng??i n??c ngo?i.
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Nghĩa Lê Trung
2010-10-05 03:17:36 UTC
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Hi all,

2010/10/5 Le Quoc Thai <lqthai at gmail.com>
Post by Le Quoc Thai
2010/10/5 Truong Anh. Tuan <tuanta at iwayvietnam.com>
N?u nh?t quy?t t?ch list th? n?n l?m 1 list m?i chuy?n cho ti?ng Anh,
1 list cho ti?ng Ph?p, 1 cho Nga, 1 cho L?o... :D
Em cho l? anh ??a. Nh?ng n?u l? nghi?m t?c th? em kh?ng th?y th?a ??ng. Em
c? c?m gi?c nh? khu?y th?m cho n??c n? ??c, ch? kh?ng ph?i kh?i trong.
C?n list n?y ?? nguy?n v? d?nh cho ti?ng Vi?t.
T?i sao ?? Em ch?a th?y c? lu?n ?i?m n?o th?a ??ng.
Nh?n m?nh l? "n?u ph?i t?ch" nh?! C?n quan ?i?m c?a t?i v?n l?m "KH?NG
t?ch"
V?ng, em r?t l?u ? ch? "quan ?i?m c?a t?i". N? ch? ??i di?n cho quan ?i?m
c?a m?t ng??i.
V? ??n gi? (c? th? do trao ??i b?ng ti?ng Vi?t, n?n) ch?a c? ph?n h?i n?o
t? c?c th?nh vi?n ng??i n??c ngo?i.
It recalls me David Tremblay time in HanoiLUG,
here<http://hanoi.centre-linux.org/IMG/pdf/crvn_hanoilug_7mai05.pdf>,
here <http://hanoi.centre-linux.org/article.php3?id_article=29>, or maybe,
here with David's note, dated August 20, 2007.
nghialt
Post by Le Quoc Thai
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Nghĩa Lê Trung
2010-10-05 03:20:19 UTC
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Hi all
----- Original Message -----
From: "Le Quoc Thai" <lqthai at gmail.com>
To: "Hanoi Linux Users Group" <hanoilug at lists.hanoilug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2010 10:06:03 AM
Subject: Re: [HanoiLUG] Language usage in HanoiLUG mailing list
2010/10/5 Truong Anh. Tuan < tuanta at iwayvietnam.com >
Em cho l? anh ??a.
Exactly. Mainly for fun :)
However, I also want to encourage people who are shy of their English.
It recalls me David Tremblay time in HanoiLUG,
here<http://hanoi.centre-linux.org/IMG/pdf/crvn_hanoilug_7mai05.pdf>,
here <http://hanoi.centre-linux.org/article.php3?id_article=29>, or maybe,
here <http://nghialetrung.blogspot.com/2007_08_19_archive.html> with David's
note, dated August 20, 2007.
nghialt
Kind regards,
Tuan
_______________________________________________
POST RULES : http://wiki.hanoilug.org/hanoilug:mailing_list_guidelines
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HanoiLUG wiki: http://wiki.hanoilug.org/
HanoiLUG blog: http://blog.hanoilug.org/
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Nghĩa Lê Trung
2010-10-05 03:17:36 UTC
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Hi all,

2010/10/5 Le Quoc Thai <lqthai at gmail.com>
Post by Le Quoc Thai
2010/10/5 Truong Anh. Tuan <tuanta at iwayvietnam.com>
Nếu nhất quyết tách list thì nên làm 1 list mới chuyên cho tiếng Anh,
Post by Truong Anh. Tuan
1 list cho tiếng Pháp, 1 cho Nga, 1 cho Lào... :D
Em cho là anh đùa. Nhưng nếu là nghiêm túc thì em khÃŽng thấy thỏa đáng. Em
có cảm giác như khuấy thêm cho nước nó đục, chứ khÃŽng phải khÆ¡i trong.
Post by Truong Anh. Tuan
Còn list này để nguyên và dành cho tiếng Việt.
Tại sao ạ? Em chưa thấy có luận điểm nào thỏa đáng.
Post by Truong Anh. Tuan
Nhấn mạnh là "nếu phải tách" nhé! CÒn quan điểm cá»§a tÃŽi vẫn làm "KHÔNG
tách"
Vâng, em rất lưu Ü chữ "quan điểm cá»§a tÃŽi". Nó chỉ đại diện cho quan điểm
của một người.
Và đến giờ (có thể do trao đổi bằng tiếng Việt, nên) chưa có phản hồi nào
từ các thành viên người nước ngoài.
It recalls me David Tremblay time in HanoiLUG,
here<http://hanoi.centre-linux.org/IMG/pdf/crvn_hanoilug_7mai05.pdf>,
here <http://hanoi.centre-linux.org/article.php3?id_article=29>, or maybe,
here with David's note, dated August 20, 2007.
nghialt
Post by Le Quoc Thai
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HanoiLUG wiki: http://wiki.hanoilug.org/
HanoiLUG blog: http://blog.hanoilug.org/
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Nghĩa Lê Trung
2010-10-05 03:17:36 UTC
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Hi all,

2010/10/5 Le Quoc Thai <lqthai at gmail.com>
Post by Le Quoc Thai
2010/10/5 Truong Anh. Tuan <tuanta at iwayvietnam.com>
Nếu nhất quyết tách list thì nên làm 1 list mới chuyên cho tiếng Anh,
Post by Truong Anh. Tuan
1 list cho tiếng Pháp, 1 cho Nga, 1 cho Lào... :D
Em cho là anh đùa. Nhưng nếu là nghiêm túc thì em khÃŽng thấy thỏa đáng. Em
có cảm giác như khuấy thêm cho nước nó đục, chứ khÃŽng phải khÆ¡i trong.
Post by Truong Anh. Tuan
Còn list này để nguyên và dành cho tiếng Việt.
Tại sao ạ? Em chưa thấy có luận điểm nào thỏa đáng.
Post by Truong Anh. Tuan
Nhấn mạnh là "nếu phải tách" nhé! CÒn quan điểm cá»§a tÃŽi vẫn làm "KHÔNG
tách"
Vâng, em rất lưu Ü chữ "quan điểm cá»§a tÃŽi". Nó chỉ đại diện cho quan điểm
của một người.
Và đến giờ (có thể do trao đổi bằng tiếng Việt, nên) chưa có phản hồi nào
từ các thành viên người nước ngoài.
It recalls me David Tremblay time in HanoiLUG,
here<http://hanoi.centre-linux.org/IMG/pdf/crvn_hanoilug_7mai05.pdf>,
here <http://hanoi.centre-linux.org/article.php3?id_article=29>, or maybe,
here with David's note, dated August 20, 2007.
nghialt
Post by Le Quoc Thai
_______________________________________________
POST RULES : http://wiki.hanoilug.org/hanoilug:mailing_list_guidelines
_______________________________________________
HanoiLUG mailing lists: http://lists.hanoilug.org/
HanoiLUG wiki: http://wiki.hanoilug.org/
HanoiLUG blog: http://blog.hanoilug.org/
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Vu Do Quynh
2010-10-05 02:01:48 UTC
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Just an idea.
Anyway, I think Vietnamese (lang) should be encouraged in the list because
of the very simple reason: we are Vietnamese and this list, first of all,
should be for Vietnamese.
Not correct : This list (until now) has been set-up for people -
normally living in Hanoi for some time - interested in GNU/Linux (and
Free Open Source softwares).

Because we expect a majority of Hanoilug "members" to be Vietnamese, we
expect the bulk of posts will be in Vietnamese, but everyone is welcomed
to discuss and express ideas, be it in one of the three languages that
were accepted when the list was started back in 2005.

The issue of language was discussed in the past and there were ideas of
splitting the list into a sub-list using English and a sub-list using
Vietnamese only, thus to accommodate users only fluent (or wishing) in
one main language of the list. In that case, people could subscribe to
either of to both sub-lists according to their wishes. That might be a
solution if you think that the way the list is being used until now is
not satisfactory enough.

Keeping all users together has one advantage, however, of facilitating
exchange within different nationalities within the list.

However if several other users think it is better to have different
sub-lists according to the language to be used, then please expose your
views.

Regards
--
M. VU DO Quynh
AUF (Tổ chức hợp tác ĐH Pháp ngữ)
Campus numérique francophone (CNF) de Hanoi
Nhà D, ngõ 42 Tạ Quang Bửu
Tél.: (84-4) 38.68.48.85 ; Fax: (84-4) 38.69.45.09
http://www.vn.refer.org/vietnam/
Le Quoc Thai
2010-10-05 02:28:32 UTC
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2010/10/5 Vu Do Quynh <vu.do.quynh at auf.org>
Just an idea.
Anyway, I think Vietnamese (lang) should be encouraged in the list because
of the very simple reason: we are Vietnamese and this list, first of all,
should be for Vietnamese.
...
The issue of language was discussed in the past and there were ideas of
splitting the list into a sub-list using English and a sub-list using
Vietnamese only, thus to accommodate users only fluent (or wishing) in one
main language of the list. In that case, people could subscribe to either of
to both sub-lists according to their wishes. That might be a solution if you
think that the way the list is being used until now is not satisfactory
enough.
I would like to confirm the aforementioned discussion. And absolutely agree
with Quynh on the diversity of our multilingual community.

I just don't understand why shall we take it for granted that "we are
Vietnamese?". Who are "we" here? Don't we remember who build this community.
Only Vietnamese?

My opinion: For this mailing list, let's make it English by default.
Therefore, let's create another mailing list dedicated to those who can
understand Vietnamese.
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Truong Anh. Tuan
2010-10-05 02:33:46 UTC
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Vu Do Quynh" <vu.do.quynh at auf.org>
To: "Hanoi Linux Users Group" <hanoilug at lists.hanoilug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2010 9:01:48 AM
Subject: Re: [HanoiLUG] Language usage in HanoiLUG mailing list
Not correct : This list (until now) has been set-up for people -
normally living in Hanoi for some time - interested in GNU/Linux (and
Free Open Source softwares).
Because we expect a majority of Hanoilug "members" to be Vietnamese, we
expect the bulk of posts will be in Vietnamese, but everyone is welcomed
to discuss and express ideas, be it in one of the three languages that
were accepted when the list was started back in 2005.
Anh đoc kỹ lại thư em, em cũng vẫn ghi là welcome everyone đấy chứ, có gì
"Not correct" đâu nhỉ? :)
The issue of language was discussed in the past and there were ideas of
splitting the list into a sub-list using English and a sub-list using
Vietnamese only, thus to accommodate users only fluent (or wishing) in
one main language of the list. In that case, people could subscribe to
either of to both sub-lists according to their wishes. That might be a
solution if you think that the way the list is being used until now is
not satisfactory enough.
Keeping all users together has one advantage, however, of facilitating
exchange within different nationalities within the list.
However if several other users think it is better to have different
sub-lists according to the language to be used, then please expose your
views.
KhÎng nên tách làm gì.

Kind regards,
Tuan
Truong Anh. Tuan
2010-10-05 02:38:06 UTC
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Le Quoc Thai" <lqthai at gmail.com>
To: "Hanoi Linux Users Group" <hanoilug at lists.hanoilug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2010 9:28:32 AM
Subject: Re: [HanoiLUG] Language usage in HanoiLUG mailing list
2010/10/5 Vu Do Quynh < vu.do.quynh at auf.org >
I would like to confirm the aforementioned discussion. And absolutely
agree with Quynh on the diversity of our multilingual community.
Thì có ai phản đối Ü này đâu! :)
I just don't understand why shall we take it for granted that "we are
Vietnamese?". Who are "we" here? Don't we remember who build this
community. Only Vietnamese?
My opinion: For this mailing list, let's make it English by default.
Therefore, let's create another mailing list dedicated to those who
can understand Vietnamese.
KhÎng nên "make it English by default" hoặc tách list thêm.

Nếu nhất quyết tách list thì nên làm 1 list mới chuyên cho tiếng Anh,
1 list cho tiếng Pháp, 1 cho Nga, 1 cho Lào... :D
Còn list này để nguyên và dành cho tiếng Việt.
Nhấn mạnh là "nếu phải tách" nhé! CÒn quan điểm cá»§a tÃŽi vẫn làm "KHÔNG tách"

Kind regards,
Tuan
Le Quoc Thai
2010-10-05 03:06:03 UTC
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2010/10/5 Truong Anh. Tuan <tuanta at iwayvietnam.com>
Post by Truong Anh. Tuan
Nếu nhất quyết tách list thì nên làm 1 list mới chuyên cho tiếng Anh,
1 list cho tiếng Pháp, 1 cho Nga, 1 cho Lào... :D
Em cho là anh đùa. Nhưng nếu là nghiêm túc thì em khÃŽng thấy thỏa đáng. Em
có cảm giác như khuấy thêm cho nước nó đục, chứ khÃŽng phải khÆ¡i trong.
Post by Truong Anh. Tuan
Còn list này để nguyên và dành cho tiếng Việt.
Tại sao ạ? Em chưa thấy có luận điểm nào thỏa đáng.
Post by Truong Anh. Tuan
Nhấn mạnh là "nếu phải tách" nhé! CÒn quan điểm cá»§a tÃŽi vẫn làm "KHÔNG
tách"
Vâng, em rất lưu Ü chữ "quan điểm cá»§a tÃŽi". Nó chỉ đại diện cho quan điểm
của một người.

Và đến giờ (có thể do trao đổi bằng tiếng Việt, nên) chưa có phản hồi nào từ
các thành viên người nước ngoài.
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Le Quoc Thai
2010-10-05 03:06:03 UTC
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2010/10/5 Truong Anh. Tuan <tuanta at iwayvietnam.com>
Post by Truong Anh. Tuan
Nếu nhất quyết tách list thì nên làm 1 list mới chuyên cho tiếng Anh,
1 list cho tiếng Pháp, 1 cho Nga, 1 cho Lào... :D
Em cho là anh đùa. Nhưng nếu là nghiêm túc thì em khÃŽng thấy thỏa đáng. Em
có cảm giác như khuấy thêm cho nước nó đục, chứ khÃŽng phải khÆ¡i trong.
Post by Truong Anh. Tuan
Còn list này để nguyên và dành cho tiếng Việt.
Tại sao ạ? Em chưa thấy có luận điểm nào thỏa đáng.
Post by Truong Anh. Tuan
Nhấn mạnh là "nếu phải tách" nhé! CÒn quan điểm cá»§a tÃŽi vẫn làm "KHÔNG
tách"
Vâng, em rất lưu Ü chữ "quan điểm cá»§a tÃŽi". Nó chỉ đại diện cho quan điểm
của một người.

Và đến giờ (có thể do trao đổi bằng tiếng Việt, nên) chưa có phản hồi nào từ
các thành viên người nước ngoài.
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Truong Anh. Tuan
2010-10-05 03:02:42 UTC
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Hi friends,

Nói vậy thÃŽi, chá»§ yếu là để các bạn ngoại ngữ yếu cÅ©ng cảm thấy
thoải mái trong "ngÎi nhà chung" HanoiLUG này.

Tóm lại ai thích viết tiếng Việt cứ viết, thích viết tiếng Anh
cũng ok (bản thân tÎi thì "chơi" cả 2 :) ).

Have fun,
Tuan
Truong Anh. Tuan
2010-10-05 03:11:18 UTC
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Le Quoc Thai" <lqthai at gmail.com>
To: "Hanoi Linux Users Group" <hanoilug at lists.hanoilug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2010 10:06:03 AM
Subject: Re: [HanoiLUG] Language usage in HanoiLUG mailing list
2010/10/5 Truong Anh. Tuan < tuanta at iwayvietnam.com >
Em cho là anh đùa.
Exactly. Mainly for fun :)
However, I also want to encourage people who are shy of their English.

Kind regards,
Tuan
Nghĩa Lê Trung
2010-10-05 03:20:19 UTC
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Hi all
----- Original Message -----
From: "Le Quoc Thai" <lqthai at gmail.com>
To: "Hanoi Linux Users Group" <hanoilug at lists.hanoilug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2010 10:06:03 AM
Subject: Re: [HanoiLUG] Language usage in HanoiLUG mailing list
2010/10/5 Truong Anh. Tuan < tuanta at iwayvietnam.com >
Em cho là anh đùa.
Exactly. Mainly for fun :)
However, I also want to encourage people who are shy of their English.
It recalls me David Tremblay time in HanoiLUG,
here<http://hanoi.centre-linux.org/IMG/pdf/crvn_hanoilug_7mai05.pdf>,
here <http://hanoi.centre-linux.org/article.php3?id_article=29>, or maybe,
here <http://nghialetrung.blogspot.com/2007_08_19_archive.html> with David's
note, dated August 20, 2007.
nghialt
Kind regards,
Tuan
_______________________________________________
POST RULES : http://wiki.hanoilug.org/hanoilug:mailing_list_guidelines
_______________________________________________
HanoiLUG mailing lists: http://lists.hanoilug.org/
HanoiLUG wiki: http://wiki.hanoilug.org/
HanoiLUG blog: http://blog.hanoilug.org/
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Nghĩa Lê Trung
2010-10-05 03:20:19 UTC
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Hi all
----- Original Message -----
From: "Le Quoc Thai" <lqthai at gmail.com>
To: "Hanoi Linux Users Group" <hanoilug at lists.hanoilug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2010 10:06:03 AM
Subject: Re: [HanoiLUG] Language usage in HanoiLUG mailing list
2010/10/5 Truong Anh. Tuan < tuanta at iwayvietnam.com >
Em cho là anh đùa.
Exactly. Mainly for fun :)
However, I also want to encourage people who are shy of their English.
It recalls me David Tremblay time in HanoiLUG,
here<http://hanoi.centre-linux.org/IMG/pdf/crvn_hanoilug_7mai05.pdf>,
here <http://hanoi.centre-linux.org/article.php3?id_article=29>, or maybe,
here <http://nghialetrung.blogspot.com/2007_08_19_archive.html> with David's
note, dated August 20, 2007.
nghialt
Kind regards,
Tuan
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Vu Do Quynh
2010-10-05 02:01:48 UTC
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Just an idea.
Anyway, I think Vietnamese (lang) should be encouraged in the list because
of the very simple reason: we are Vietnamese and this list, first of all,
should be for Vietnamese.
Not correct : This list (until now) has been set-up for people -
normally living in Hanoi for some time - interested in GNU/Linux (and
Free Open Source softwares).

Because we expect a majority of Hanoilug "members" to be Vietnamese, we
expect the bulk of posts will be in Vietnamese, but everyone is welcomed
to discuss and express ideas, be it in one of the three languages that
were accepted when the list was started back in 2005.

The issue of language was discussed in the past and there were ideas of
splitting the list into a sub-list using English and a sub-list using
Vietnamese only, thus to accommodate users only fluent (or wishing) in
one main language of the list. In that case, people could subscribe to
either of to both sub-lists according to their wishes. That might be a
solution if you think that the way the list is being used until now is
not satisfactory enough.

Keeping all users together has one advantage, however, of facilitating
exchange within different nationalities within the list.

However if several other users think it is better to have different
sub-lists according to the language to be used, then please expose your
views.

Regards
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M. VU DO Quynh
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Le Quoc Thai
2010-10-05 02:28:32 UTC
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2010/10/5 Vu Do Quynh <vu.do.quynh at auf.org>
Just an idea.
Anyway, I think Vietnamese (lang) should be encouraged in the list because
of the very simple reason: we are Vietnamese and this list, first of all,
should be for Vietnamese.
...
The issue of language was discussed in the past and there were ideas of
splitting the list into a sub-list using English and a sub-list using
Vietnamese only, thus to accommodate users only fluent (or wishing) in one
main language of the list. In that case, people could subscribe to either of
to both sub-lists according to their wishes. That might be a solution if you
think that the way the list is being used until now is not satisfactory
enough.
I would like to confirm the aforementioned discussion. And absolutely agree
with Quynh on the diversity of our multilingual community.

I just don't understand why shall we take it for granted that "we are
Vietnamese?". Who are "we" here? Don't we remember who build this community.
Only Vietnamese?

My opinion: For this mailing list, let's make it English by default.
Therefore, let's create another mailing list dedicated to those who can
understand Vietnamese.
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Truong Anh. Tuan
2010-10-05 02:33:46 UTC
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Vu Do Quynh" <vu.do.quynh at auf.org>
To: "Hanoi Linux Users Group" <hanoilug at lists.hanoilug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2010 9:01:48 AM
Subject: Re: [HanoiLUG] Language usage in HanoiLUG mailing list
Not correct : This list (until now) has been set-up for people -
normally living in Hanoi for some time - interested in GNU/Linux (and
Free Open Source softwares).
Because we expect a majority of Hanoilug "members" to be Vietnamese, we
expect the bulk of posts will be in Vietnamese, but everyone is welcomed
to discuss and express ideas, be it in one of the three languages that
were accepted when the list was started back in 2005.
Anh đoc kỹ lại thư em, em cũng vẫn ghi là welcome everyone đấy chứ, có gì
"Not correct" đâu nhỉ? :)
The issue of language was discussed in the past and there were ideas of
splitting the list into a sub-list using English and a sub-list using
Vietnamese only, thus to accommodate users only fluent (or wishing) in
one main language of the list. In that case, people could subscribe to
either of to both sub-lists according to their wishes. That might be a
solution if you think that the way the list is being used until now is
not satisfactory enough.
Keeping all users together has one advantage, however, of facilitating
exchange within different nationalities within the list.
However if several other users think it is better to have different
sub-lists according to the language to be used, then please expose your
views.
KhÎng nên tách làm gì.

Kind regards,
Tuan
Truong Anh. Tuan
2010-10-05 02:38:06 UTC
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Le Quoc Thai" <lqthai at gmail.com>
To: "Hanoi Linux Users Group" <hanoilug at lists.hanoilug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2010 9:28:32 AM
Subject: Re: [HanoiLUG] Language usage in HanoiLUG mailing list
2010/10/5 Vu Do Quynh < vu.do.quynh at auf.org >
I would like to confirm the aforementioned discussion. And absolutely
agree with Quynh on the diversity of our multilingual community.
Thì có ai phản đối Ü này đâu! :)
I just don't understand why shall we take it for granted that "we are
Vietnamese?". Who are "we" here? Don't we remember who build this
community. Only Vietnamese?
My opinion: For this mailing list, let's make it English by default.
Therefore, let's create another mailing list dedicated to those who
can understand Vietnamese.
KhÎng nên "make it English by default" hoặc tách list thêm.

Nếu nhất quyết tách list thì nên làm 1 list mới chuyên cho tiếng Anh,
1 list cho tiếng Pháp, 1 cho Nga, 1 cho Lào... :D
Còn list này để nguyên và dành cho tiếng Việt.
Nhấn mạnh là "nếu phải tách" nhé! CÒn quan điểm cá»§a tÃŽi vẫn làm "KHÔNG tách"

Kind regards,
Tuan
Truong Anh. Tuan
2010-10-05 03:02:42 UTC
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Hi friends,

Nói vậy thÃŽi, chá»§ yếu là để các bạn ngoại ngữ yếu cÅ©ng cảm thấy
thoải mái trong "ngÎi nhà chung" HanoiLUG này.

Tóm lại ai thích viết tiếng Việt cứ viết, thích viết tiếng Anh
cũng ok (bản thân tÎi thì "chơi" cả 2 :) ).

Have fun,
Tuan
Truong Anh. Tuan
2010-10-05 03:11:18 UTC
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Le Quoc Thai" <lqthai at gmail.com>
To: "Hanoi Linux Users Group" <hanoilug at lists.hanoilug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2010 10:06:03 AM
Subject: Re: [HanoiLUG] Language usage in HanoiLUG mailing list
2010/10/5 Truong Anh. Tuan < tuanta at iwayvietnam.com >
Em cho là anh đùa.
Exactly. Mainly for fun :)
However, I also want to encourage people who are shy of their English.

Kind regards,
Tuan
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